Friday, June 15, 2012

Scientific Dating of Vedic and Ramayan Era



Ecological perspective
History of the Holocene (post last ice age) deserves to be rewritten based on multi-disciplinary scientific evidences. Aryan invasion theory was propagated based on linguistic guesswork, religious hearsay and old outdated archaeological reports. Christianity has long back discarded its 18th century beliefs that world got created on 23rd October, 4004 BC, Biblical flood occurred in 2400 B.C. and that civilizations started expanding and migrating in around 1500 B.C. It is almost unanimously accepted by the scholars and scientists that there have been several cycles of civilizations and that last ice age ended around 10000 B.C., ushering in the beginnings of Holocene i.e. Nutan Yug.
The melting of ice caps naturally got started near the Equator, resulting in discharge of huge quantities of water which first flowed in the form of rivers in South India. The civilizations developed, populations multiplied over hundreds of years resulting in water scarcity. More adventurous started migrating northwards - initially towards central India and later on towards the Himalayan rivers in the North. Thousands of years of water security provided by Saraswati, Indus and Ganga river systems and world's most fertile planes cultivated around them naturally facilitated the extra-ordinary development of culture and civilization from around 8000 B.C. After thousands of years water supply from ice-caps started depleting, tectonic movements resulted in drying up of rivers like Saraswati, trade relations flourished and more adventurous people started moving towards Central Asia and Europe. Thus there was neither any end of Vedic civilisation due to imaginary Aryan invasion theory nor were Dravidians 'aboriginal savages' of North India. The rise and fall of Vedic Civilisation is thus attributable to ecological cycle post last ice age and not to any 'Aryan invasion'
           
Sky views in Rigveda
There are 53 references in Rigveda as prayers offered to Aswinis at dawn. The description clearly points to the observation of the pair of stars in the Aries constellation (referred to as Aashvin or Asvini) just before sunrise as a ritual to mark the year beginning. Using Planetarium software, we find that the Winter Solstice occurred on 19 December, 7000 BC at 0735 hrs as shown in Figure 1. This is the earliest reference to Vedic calendar with year beginning at Winter Solstice, found in Rigveda (5-77-1/2; 1-46-14; 7-69-3/2). Heliacal rising of Ashwini Nakshatra (Aries) can be seen to occur on 5th January, 7000 BC, marking the year beginning (Fig. 1).




Fig. 2: Sky on Jan 05, 7000 BC, 0649 hrs shows heliacal rising of Asvini Nakshatra after Winter Solstice, marking the year beginning (RgVeda  5-77-1/2; 1-46-14; 7-69-3/2). 

A thousand years later, Winter Solstice no longer occurred near Aries (Asvini) due to precession. As a result, Ashwinis were no longer rising heliacally as before. They were still below the horizon at sunrise around Winter Solstice time. The Winter Solstice had moved to Revati by 6000 BC. Thus the precession of Equinoxes and Solistices was being observed by Rigvedic Scholars.

The Sky of 19th December, 6000 BC at sunrise on the Winter Solstice day shows that Ashvini gave way to bright star Chitra (α Vir) on opposite side (Western horizon). A full Moon in Chitra Nakshatra provided a new time marker in the sky and heralded the lunar month naming system-Chaitra, Vaisakha etc. (Rigveda: 5-74-1,2 and Tait Samh. 7-4-8). See Fig. 2 -



Winter Solstice opposite Citra - Sky of 19 Dec 6000 BC at sunrise shows that Asvini gave way to bright star Citra on opposite side (western horizon). It began to be used for determining the year beginning. A full Moon occurring in Citra heralded the lunar month naming system-Caitra, Vaisakha etc (Tait.  Samh. 7-4-8).

Most amazing is the fact that reference to Agastya Muni (who composed some Slokas of Rigveda) first observing star Canopus (star Agastya) from Vindhyas refers to the sky view of 18th Dcember, 5100 BC. Lord Ram also visits Agastya Muni's Agnishala and sequential astronomical dates of important events in Shri Ram's life also are of around 5100 BC!


Recommended Readings:

1. Saroj Bala and Kulbhushan Mishra. 2012. Historicity of Vedic and Ramayan Eras: Scientific Evidences from the Depths of Oceans to the Heights of Skies. Institute of Scientific Research on Vedas. Abridged editions also available in English and Hindi.

2. Subramanian Swamy. 2008. Rama Setu: Symbol of National Unity

3. Srimad Valmiki Ramayana (Hindi).

4. Srimad Valmiki Ramayana (English).

5.  Sita Ram, Rai Bahadur. 1932. Ayodhya Ka Itihas (in Hindi). New Delhi: Arya Book Depot, Karol Bagh.









99 comments:

  1. Really commendable... Great Work...

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  2. Saroj Bala ji,

    first of all, my compliments on your hard work in establishing the historicity of our Itihaas.

    I however think, you are being somewhat premature in your pushing for Pushkar Bhatnagar's proposal of 10th January, 5114 BCE as Lord Rama's Date of Birth. Archaeoastronomy is still a new field, and there will be many in the future who would be testing the available data points, the archaeoastronomical indicators in our scriptures.

    I would urge you to keep an open mind on the date. All research brings us forward, even the one that does not hit bulls-eye in the first try.

    It will be wrong to hitch one's wagon to the first date that came along, before it had even been proof-checked by others.

    I can understand your drive to find consensus, but we shouldn't build a consensus on something this important on a false basis if it can be shown as false sometime in the future.

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  3. Really appreciate the efforts taken to bring out the dates of epic events. I have a doubt regarding that. The planetary positions is not unique to a particular date and should get repeated after a specific span of time. For example in tamil calendar, the cycle of 60 years gets repeated. Similarly, this sort of repetition will occur in the four yugas. soon after the release of NASA released the picture of ramar sethu, the dates of the same were explored and published in the Internet. Geological Survey of India (GSI) carried out a special programme called “Project Rameswaram” that concluded that age data of corals indicate that the Rameswaram island has evolved since 125,000 years ago. Radiocarbon dating of samples in this study suggests that the domain between Rameswaram and Talaimannar may have thus been exposed around 18,000 years ago. Now, how do these dates correlated with your calculated date of birth of Lord Rama as 5114 BC ? I know its easy to ask questions. But I request you to provide an explanation.

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    1. The bridge would have already been there at the time of Ram (originated at the time you mentioned), made up of corals and stones. But it would have been broken at many places, which then Ram and his army might have constructed for their purpose. So then the carbon dating of the bridge and the work done by Ram don't conflict.

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    2. Each Yuga spans roughly to 24000 years. Ramayana epic records that it happened at 23rd yuga. Now we are in 28th yuga. So the coral formation of 125000 years matches with the Yuga period.

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  4. This is incredible. This would surely remove many misconceptions of the western world. Most importantly your work has established historicity to our past and proves that we have a strong and valid historic past and hence it cannot be treated as just mythology.

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  5. where i can buy this book pls mention book stores address

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  6. Great work Saroj ji
    This will definatly enhance our faith & belief in Lord Ram. As far as Ramsethu is concerned it was clearly mentioned that stones started floating after writing Ram word on them. This should be analysed minutley.
    Decision of blasting Ramsethu just for financial purpose is really unfortunate and will be great loss to Hindu religeous belief

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  7. Respected Saroj Bala Mam,

    This is phenomenal work done by you.. I am doing this work too at a very slow pace but have facts to contribute to this cause. I would suggest please if you can get in touch with Discovery or Nat Georaphic channel and then make a series of this thing.
    Few facts to that support Lord Ram lived.
    1) There are huge stones which flow in Rameshwaram. they are kept in floating stones temple.
    2)Tadipatri -- where tadka suri was killed.
    3)ashok vatika in sri lanka
    4)valmiki ashrams.
    it is said that valmiki roamed around his entrie lfe and had ashrams in different parts of the country. avani, karnataka, amritsar, kankhal..
    Refer this link..

    http://www.harekrsna.com please search here once.

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  8. Respected aroj Ji,

    My friend [Parashar Krishnamachari] has some thought on this --

    His Text
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    I have a number of problems with this. #1 with the assumption that astrologers of ancient eras were cognizant of ecliptic precession. There's no evidence in the constructs of Vedic astrology or any other school of astrology that there was any recognition of precession. As such, any given configuration can repeat within a relatively short time. #2, there is too much based on taking the traditions and the literature at face value when we know that there is relatively little anywhere in Hindu literature which is universally consistent throughout all communities. I can't help but think the author is cherry-picking #3 Relying entirely on astrological dating means you will find discrepancies against other physically-based dating methods. I don't think you will find anything close if you try to radiometrically date the corals or anything of the sort in the Ramsethu. #4 Tracing a date, even if it is correct, proves precisely nothing. Acting as if this is some sort of mark of historicity is about as sensible as Biblical literalists claiming that the Bible is true because it mentions Israel and Samara, and they're all real places. Finding a land bridge doesn't prove a man shot an arrow through a row of trees or that a talking monkey could grow taller than a mountain.
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    I can answer him myself but I want you to answer this because you have researched on this and you are having much more knowledge than me. Your answer will be much more effective.

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    1. Bible is true but all places like Ayodhya,Rameshwaram etc its also a real.U only provoking and its not a gud idea mate hv u ever visit in Ayodhya,If u not please visit and look here Anciet temples.Come here and meat it true yogi i know some than u change ur thought i have also resachring a lot and i can say that all our ancient myth are really true.Don't make comment bedout reaschrt do our research than come with valid point.I am waiting for u solve all urs dought.

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    2. Dear sir I believe in Hindu god like Ramayana and mahabharatha very much. I want those epics to be true. Can you give me more proof about those happened earlier. I will be really happy to see that

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  9. Dear ms. saroj

    It is a nice attempt to put data in one place for people to study and discuss. My problem is that if Ramyana can be dated to about 7000 years ago we should have been able to find more concrete evidence. Though I have little doubt in the authenticity of the epic the dating flies in the face of the fact that Lprd Rama is said to have been born in a Yuga which is supposed to have occurred more than few lakh years ago!! More research needs to go into this

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  10. can you please provides names of numbers,from map of india..(route of rama)

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  12. our hindsustan is in cristians hands . we have to protect our heritage

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  13. this date is right.....as Aryabhatt--the world's best astronomist/astrologist/mathematician proved Mahabharat War in 3139BC....
    See 30 more generations of Suryavansh were coming after Ram...n 31 after His own birth(5114BC)
    5114BC-3139BC=1975yrs....
    Brihadbala was last King that was killed by Abhimanyu in Mahabharat War..in 3139BC
    So,1975/31=63.7yrs of 1 generation....this surely be true...as Life expectancy was more in those days...(in 600BC-700AD approx.35yrs per generation)
    there is something wrong to timeperiod of Yugs---as it is said Ramayan war is more than 8,62,000yrs.....how it can be possible??

    Todays India is such a fool nation...saying it as Mythology...
    Srilanka Govt. has proved Ramayan's existence....
    See how u feel to walk on reconstructed Ram Setu which was once build by almighty Hanumanji with His Vanar-Sena...

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  14. Great job on the time period of Shri Ram. I've also seen your book on this topic. Right now even I'm writing a book on Shri Ram. I'm a blogger as well and I've also written a blog on Shri Ram. You must read that -

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  15. we celebrate rama navami in the month of april, sun transists aries in the month of chaitra( around april) and in january sun would be in saggitarius.. so either the interpretaton is wrong or the chart?!?!!?

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    1. The equinox timing shifts 1 day every 50 years so please calculate accordingly.

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  18. namaste -

    Thanks for the nice article and book on dating rAmAyaNa. If this is validated, can we request changing dates on, say, these web pages on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmiki). I am also keen to know the evidence used to reconcile the dates for rAmAyaNa as 100BC-500BC (as listed on this wikipedia page). I would believe that your research has a lot more proof-points than those.

    savinayaM
    hariH

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  19. namaste -

    Thanks for the nice article and book on dating rAmAyaNa. If this is validated, can we request changing dates on, say, these web pages on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmiki). I am also keen to know the evidence used to reconcile the dates for rAmAyaNa as 100BC-500BC (as listed on this wikipedia page). I would believe that your research has a lot more proof-points than those.

    Just to clarify myself - what I am arguing is why do I see these other "recent" dates (100BC - 500BC) if there isn't enough proof supporting them.

    savinayaM
    hariH

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  23. Interesting post...as per your post "the date on which Ravana was killed on 4th December 5076 BC and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on 2nd January, 5075 BC and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month. Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya when he was 39 years old (5114-5075)."

    But as per our Hindu Mythology -
    1. We celebrate the Ram Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month as a birthday of Shri Ram. (usually in April).
    2. After killed Ravan, Shri Ram come back to Ayodhya, the day was Amavasya in Kartik Month and we celebrate this day as Deepawali.(usually in Oct-Nov).
    ..
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    There are some mis-match dates..

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      2. A Kshatriya boy can marry a Kshatriya or Vaishya or Shudra girl.
      3. A Vaishya boy can marry a Vaishya or Shudra girl.
      4. A Shudra boy can marry a Shudra girl.
      5. A girl from the lower caste can marry any of the upper caste boy.
      6. Few things one should consider is that, marriage shouldn't happen in the same Gotra, since both the girl and the boy would be from the same rishi. For example if the girl and boy both are from the same Gotra, that is Bharadwaja Gotra, that both the girl and boy would have been come from the same rishi Bharadwaja. So the blood of both girl and boy would be same, and thus marriage in the same Gotra is prohibited, since both the boy and girl is considered as brother and sister. And if by any chance both the girl and boy gets married within the same Gotra and the children born would not be able to lead a normal life as they will be born as deformed. Considering these facts the same Gotra marriage is prohibited in Bharatiya (Hindu) dharma (rules and regulations).
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  31. i am convince about the historicity of Ramayana & Mahabharata

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  32. 1. The sun is in Aries during 15th March to 14th April
    2. There is no mention about Mercury, Raghu and Kethu
    3. Nuwera Eliya is in Central region of Sri lanka, nowhere near the supposed Ram sethu or sea shore

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  33. We should all believe that all the 9 avataras of Bhagavan Sri Narayana did exist (10th avatara is still to come) and I am a firm believable of Bhagavan Sri Narayana. There is no second question about it.
    All the work you have done is extraordinary and may be correct to the best of your knowledge. But the birth of Bhagavan Sri Rama Chandra cannot be taken as 5000 BC as in the Puranas and in many Bharatiya (Hindu) books, it is shown that one Kali Yuga has (present yuga or period) 4,32,000 years. One Dwapara Yuga is 2 * 4,32,000 = 8,64,000 years. We can some how accept that Bhagavan Sri Krishna birth's date as in the 3000 BC as we know that Krishna took birth on this earth at the end of the Dwapara Yuga and lived on this earth for almost 126 years. Also one Treta Yuga (Rama's period) had 3 * 4,32,000 = 12,96,000 years. Thus even if we consider that Bhagavan Sri Rama took birth on this earth at the end of the Treta Yuga, than 5000 BC cannot be taken as the birth date of Bhagavan Sri Rama. All the Navagraha's descriptions can be considerd as per the above description given, but the date of birth of Bhagavan Sri Rama Chandra cannot be in 5000 BC.
    Even if we consider that 5000 BC is the date of birth of the Bhagavan Sri Rama Chandra, than we should think the data which is available in our Hindu books are incorrect, which we cannot do as it has been done or written by our great rishis like VedVyasa and others.
    To end this comment the date of birth of Bhagavan Sri Rama Chandra to be in 5000 BC is completely unacceptable according our Hindu's Vedas and Puranas.

    OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

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    1. If Ramayan was nearly 5000bc back. When was war with danavas by Maa Parvati? When was kalika maa avatar taken? This is all not related to dates on earth. Life forms have not evolved on earth. It has been transferred from other systems. Facts have been distorted as it went from mouth to ear to mouth. Earth was full of water when Manu arrived million of year ago.
      • Matsya avatar was in fact a machine which could float in water and can carry life forms in a vessel from other destroyed planet. (can take Mars which was once flourished as earth) It was given by ShreeVishnu.
      • Once the place was found for settlement. That is land for settlement all the life form vere released.
      • Kurma avatar was also a machine on which large meru parbat or piece of land was kept floating. On this parbat research were carried out by danavas and gods (two type of cast during those yugs from various planates) for finding new ingredients for leaving. The naga basically was pipe lines for transferring sea water and other bi-products which also resulted in giving out poisonous gases and harmful chemicals. Which has taken by lord shiva.
      • Then came the Varaha avatar. This avatar was basically a big machine with heavy drilling facilities given by lord Vishnu to people i.e generation of manu for bringing out large pieces of earth from the bottom of the sea as land was getting smaller due to increasing population.

      Rest avatar were taken ie. to say person send by his supreme Shree Vishnu on his behalf to solve the problems of human settled on earth.
      Wars between danavas and gods and Maa Parvati were fought on earth as well as on other planetary systems.

      LIFE IS NOT SOMETHING ONE SEE. THERE IS LIFE YOU CANNOT SEE. WHAT WE SEE MIGHT BE LESS THAN 0.000! infinity. Eg no one can see x-ray, gama rays, ultraviolet rays with naked eyes. THERE ARE MANY OTHER ELECTRO MAGNATIC WAVES AND OTHER TYPE OF WAVES WHICH WE HAVE NOT DREAMED OFF Mhz, Ghz, other ranges WHICH WE CANNOT SEE, HEAR, FEEL.

      CALL ME FOOL IF YOU WANT I DON’T CARE. BUT PERSON HOW DIED 2TIMES AND CAME BACK TWICE HAS SEEN GLIMES OF MANY THINGS.

      FOR THOSE TO KNOW HOW IS SHREE VISHNU: HE IS A ATOM, SMALLEST PART OF THE ATOM AND EVEN THOUGH HE IS BIGER THAN UNIVERSE, HE IS EVERYWARE, HE IS IN YOU. IN ALL LIVING & DEAD. FROM HIM THIS INFINITY UNIVERSE IS CREATED. THERE IS A UNIVERSE IN EVERY ATOM. THINK OF IT: UNIVERSE MADE OF ATOMS AND UNIVERSE IN EVERY ATOM.
      NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN HIM YET YOU KNOW HIM.

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    2. 1) The story of Srimad Ramayana ends with Sri Rama's coronation as the King of Kosala Kingdom. Sage Valmiki describes in the concluding chapter of Yuddha Kanda that having enjoyed the kingship for ten thousand years, Sri Rama performed a hundred horse-sacrifices. It was described very briefly about the happy life of the people of Kosala kingdom during the reign of Sri Rama.

      सर्वे लक्षणसम्पन्नाः सर्वे धर्मपरायणाः ||
      दशवर्षसहस्राणि रामो राज्यमकारयत् | (Yuddha Kanda 128 Sarga 106 Sloka)

      "All the people were endowed with excellent characteristics. All were engaged in virtue. Rama was engaged in the kingship thus for Ten thousand years."


      2) Srimad Ramayana was written much earlier to Mahabharata. In the 272-289 Sections of Vana Parva of Mahabharata, the story of Sri Rama was narrated to Yuddhistara by Sage Markandeya. Though the story contains minor variations compared to the story told in the Srimad Ramayana, those episodes describe the story of Sri Rama in full.

      3) According to the Scientific dating conducted by many scholars, The Great War of Mahabharat between the Pandavas and the Kauravas happened in 3139 BC. The Pandavas, after winning the Mahabharat war, ruled Hastinapur for 36 years and 8 months until the beginning of kaliyug in 3102 BC.


      4) As the story of Sri Rama was narrated in full to Yuddhisthira in Mahabharata, we can safely conclude that Srimad Ramayana was written much earlier to Mahabharata.

      5) According to Srimad Ramayana, Sri Rama ruled Kosala Kingdom for 10,000 years. Please do not be cynical as to the description of 10,000 years of ruling. We do not know exact age and the longevity of people of that age.

      6) If we take 3102 BC as the basis for the Mahabharata dating, then at least 10,000 years are to be added, assuming that Mahabharata immediately followed Sri Rama, to 3102 BC for getting the age of Sri Rama. Thus, we will get 13,102 BC. That means atleast 15,000 years back Srimad Ramayana might have written.

      This was the available calculation.

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    3. According to Jainism, Shri Ramchandraji ruled Ayodhya during the period of the 20th Tirthankara of the Jains - Bhagwan Shri Munisuvrat Swami - i.e. , nearly 20000 years ago.

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  34. Amazing post supernatural things (before crisis) specially the bridge and every phase of lord Ram's.. I have got lots of interesting knowledge about the life of Lord "ShriRam".
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  37. i have to congratulate this lady for her pioneering work, as a matter of fact the historicity of ramayana ought have been properly slotted in time by some one.

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  38. Need more proof:
    Who wrote the software and where can I get it? Is it opensource or has a proper documentation of the calculation it performs?
    Please provide data in a tabulated form.

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  39. Good article but I have some contradictory point. There is reference in Ramayana that Lanka was guarded by four-tusked elephants. The planetary position mentioned may have happened many times earlier as well. The four-tusked elephants known as Mastodonoidea which are said to evolved 38million years ago and said to be extinct 15 million years ago. Timingila, ahuge mystery creature is also mentioned in Ramayana which can swallow whole whale. Well, fossil remains show that there were many steps in the evolution of the 'Modern Elephant' and there DID exist four-tusked ancestors of elephants in various shapes and sizes such as Trilophodon, Tetralophodon, Gomphotherium etc around 20 million years ago!

    We are currently in the Kaliyuga of the 28th YUGA CYCLE of the 51 st Day of Brahma. Hence Lord Rama was born not just Two Yugs ago but TWO YUGS plus THREE CHATUR-YUGS before present!! THIS is why digging for archaeological data to corroborate the existence of Shri Raam would be futile. There is no way we could find any man-made artifacts after millenia as the scriptures put Shri Raam's period to be 18 million years ago! For the same reason, 7323 BCE or 5114 BCE as the birth years of Shri Raam can not be correct. Even though the dates were arrived at through a thorough analysis of Lord Rama's birth charts and have a very sound basis but based on what scriptures say, we have to make a correction in them.
    A solution to the apparent mismatch of dates can be found if we realize that because of a phenomenon known as the 'Precession of Equinoxes', stars as visualized from Earth, regain the same positions every 26,000 years!


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  40. Dear Saroj ji,
    Kindly share your email id.
    regards
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  68. जैसा कि यह ज्ञात है कि वेद पहले विशाल थे, बड़े थे - वेदव्यास जी ने वेद को चार हिस्सों में बाँट दिया - ऋग्वेद, सामवेद, यजुर्वेद और अथर्ववेद


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    अब इसी बात को जारी रखते हुए मैं आपका ध्यान वाल्मीकि-रामायण में किष्किंधाकांड के सर्ग 3, श्लोक 28 की तरफ आकर्षित करना चाहता हूँ, जो इस प्रकार है –


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    क्या वाल्मीकि-रामायण में ऋग्वेद, सामवेद, यजुर्वेद का उल्लेख आना कुछ अजीब सा नहीं लगता?


    इसमें एक बात और ध्यान देने योग्य है कि उपरोक्त श्लोक में सिर्फ तीन वेदों का ही जिक्र है - ऋग्वेद, सामवेद, यजुर्वेद।
    इसमें चौथा वेद अथर्ववेद का जिक्र नहीं है।




    क्या वाल्मीकि-रामायण के इस श्लोक से यह निष्कर्ष नहीं निकलता कि –
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  72. Great Work Madam, but what I would like to mention that this is a hypothesis. How can u be so sure that Great Lord Rama was born exactly on that year. It is very difficult to be so precise about the date. Because the Aryans never kept written records, all that were present are SHRUTIS. ORAL SCRIPT. These oral scripts are not very reliable. But still thanks for a great work. But I think Ramayana and Mahabharata are more older than 5000 BC. Its just a comment

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